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Bob Mottram @bob@social.freedombone.net
@herrabre @falleroffalls if the fediverse continues to increase in numbers of active users then I expect there to be a variety of approaches towards resolving the problems of social relations. Instances which recruit a voluntary or perhaps even professional police force (if they can get donations for that) will eventually just duplicate the problems of the silos. You end up with a bureaucracy and a system of rules, and then it becomes a question of who makes the rules. Even if you started out with the intention of reducing harassment, or whatever, before you know it you've got the same old familiar problems.

The people who want to use blocks as a political tactic to pressure this or that admin are just trying to create a status hierarchy with themselves at the top of a chain of command. It's a familiar game.
dick_turpin @dick_turpin

@bob @fallerOfFalls @HerraBRE So ignoring for the minute the fact that you can block them what's to stop someone setting up their own instance and harassing others? You can't kick them off their own instance and as has been pointed out the whole system is federated, how do you exclude them from the federation?

What constitutes harassment anyway? Continually belittling someone? Personal insults? Name calling?
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Linux Walt (@lnxw48a1) @lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net
> What constitutes harassment anyway? Continually belittling someone? Personal insults? Name calling?

Or maybe disagreeing with someone? Some of the harassment threads I've seen blow up in the past few weeks were little more than that.
pettter ✅ @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se
@lnxw48a1 @dickturpin What have the disagreements been about? There's a difference between "yeah I think socialism probably wouldn't work in practise" and "yeah I don't think gay/trans people actually exist and/or deserve to be treated as fellow humans".
dick_turpin @dick_turpin

@pettter @lnxw48a1
*I can only answer for myself*

While I suspect lots would find your second example highly offensive I would have to say that while I disagree with that statement I would die defending your right to say it. Without freedom of speech Totalitarianism and censure creeps in.

pettter ✅ @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se
@dickturpin @lnxw48a1 It really doesn't, though, unless you are claiming that for example Germany is closer to totalitarianism than, say the US:
dick_turpin @dick_turpin

@pettter @lnxw48a1 What I mean is you will end up with a small group who will meet out justice to users for the most pathetic of reasons or for reasons of cronyism.

While I agree bullying ect. needs to be stamped out I cannot fathom why supposed victims don't block their so called tormentors? It's not rocket science.

pettter ✅ @pettter@social.umeahackerspace.se
@dickturpin @lnxw48a1  >What I mean is you will end up with a small group who will meet out justice to users for the most pathetic of reasons or for reasons of cronyism.

Why, though? I don't see how that necessarily follows. Are people not capable of moderating in reasonable ways? Is civilization impossible?

> why supposed victims don't block their so called tormentors?

Because it's cheaper and easier for abusers and harassers to create new accounts to use for harassment than for the abused to keep blocking and blocking and _meanwhile suffering the harassment_.
Frankie Saxx @frankiesaxx@social.tchncs.de

@pettter @dick_turpin @lnxw48a1

Premise: "if blocked, harassers will create new accounts to continue harassing"

Then it would make sense to block as the first test in determining whether something is harassment, vs argument or misunderstanding.

If a block ends the interaction, then it seems to me it probably wasn't harassment.

I think the idea that every interaction that goes south is abuse might become a self fulfilling prophecy.

dick_turpin @dick_turpin

@frankiesaxx @pettter @lnxw48a1 Ermm? I think my response is "yeah" but I'm not 100% sure. :-)

More importantly **UNICORNS!** :-)

Frankie Saxx @frankiesaxx@social.tchncs.de

@dick_turpin @pettter @lnxw48a1

My observation, from a long time on the internet, is the majority of the time, ongoing harassment and abuse complaints often stem from a bad interaction that neither person will drop.

The people involved are generally both just normal people, but they can't let it go. Instead they *both* keep talking about each other and justify continuing to respond as self-defense. And then other people take sides...

dick_turpin @dick_turpin

@frankiesaxx @pettter @lnxw48a1 You are a very wise Unicorn. I like what you have written. I agree with what you have written, I shall now look for you on the web to follow you more. (Or you can give me some links to save my valuable time?) You sound liker my kind of Unicorn.

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Frankie Saxx @frankiesaxx@social.tchncs.de

@dick_turpin twitter is @frankiesaxx also :)

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